Paper patched 45-70 loads

Any input, positive negative neutral would be much appreciated. Paperpatching your inline muzzleloader western powders. Bullet diameter for 4570 paper patched cartridge shiloh. Supposedly about of the buffalo killed in the old west were done in with pp bullets. The use of paper patched bullets is especially known from the buffalo hunts on the american prairies where millions of the shaggy beasts fell for paper patched bullets.

His delightfully informative book on the subject, the paper jacket, is perhaps the best resource for a reloader interested in utilizing paperpatched bullets with smokeless powder. If it slips in with a slight resistance, its the right size. Anyone who has worked with the 45 70 government with loads using blackpowder, smokeless to match blackpowder performance, or smokeless loads at higher pressure, soon learns that this cartridge offers phenomenal performance. If you use my paper patch lube, make sure that it is as soft as butter when you apply it. First, the patch shape will have to be a parallelogram with angles of about 45 degrees. He was the famous grizzly bear hunter of the 1870s 1890s in wyoming and montana. Probably not as much compression with the paper patched loads as with greasers. Length will have to be about circumference of the bullet. There are a couple of loads i may want to try out using trail boss powder but im not sure if i should use the same paper patched slugs. I plan on reloading for it, but if it doesnt work out, i was wondering your opinions on factory loads that will work for elk at short range, say 100 yds. Sizing paperpatched bullets for smokeless powder load data. These loads were found in colonel picketts writings. New years day, memorial day, independence day, labor day, thanksgiving and the day after, christmas eve open until 12.

You will quit adding powder long before the handirifle is even slightly strained. Im thinking about trying paper patched bullets in a pedersoli john bodine 4570. In addition to coming to this conclusion about prepatched bullet diameter, i also investigated the factors of bullet hardness, patch type and powder choice, hoping to further refine smokeless powder paperpatched loads. Have just purchased a brand new pedersoli sharps 4570 34 octagonal barrel. Buffalo arms is closed on the following holidays so that our employees can spend time with their families. When you have a clean rag and time to wipe your hands between shots they work fine.

Nov 11, 2014 does anybody know anything about paper patched bullets for 45 70. How big of a deal is a compressed load in the 45 70 using h 4198. Nov 21, 2005 they say the best things in life are free so i suppose free advice is one of the best things theres a logic flaw there somewhere but im too tired to pursue it. So, what loads do yall use for bp and pyrodex with a paper patch bullet. It works well if you can find a buddy that still enjoys casting enough to make a run of soft cast bullets for you to paper patch.

I was thinking about using 5060g of powder for the carbine. May 17, 2016 myself, i prefer paper patched bullets for three reasons. Youll only need enough lube to cover the paper patch. Has anyone paper patched these bullets 200 grains to 230 grains up enough to load in the 4570. Refining paperpatched loads for smokeless powder load data. Hunting with paper patch bullets in sharps 45120 aka 45110.

This is a discussion on paper patching 4570 within the lever action forums, part of the gun forum category. Everything seemed to work great except i think i have the patch riding too high up on the bullet nose on the lee 457340 395 gr 2 cavity mold. Here are the benefits of shooting paperpatched bullets in your inline. Does anybody know anything about paper patched bullets for 4570.

I prefer to use paper patched bullets simply because they are easier to handle. But now i would like to learn about paper patching for the 45 70 thanks. I just bought my first 4570 which i plan to use off and on for everything from deer and pigs, to elk. Kirk, what diameter bullet would you recommend for use in my shiloh 4570 for paper patching. Using black powder is now big deal, i have it, know how to use it, and know it works fine with paper patched bullets, but can i use smokeless powder with paper patched bullets as well. Unless you want to use it on something that will come over and stomp you into a muddy puddle or eat you its totally over the top. This is a discussion on paper patching 45 70 within the lever action forums, part of the gun forum category. Ive never paper patched, but sounds like it might be possible for low velocity loads. Uberti 1886 4570 buffalo gong matches sass wire forum.

Cant give you much info on a 3855 but have been very successfull with 45 70. I just ordered a perdesoli 1874 sharps snipe rifle. Paper patched bullets are still available, and some blackpowder shooters still roll their own paper patched bullets for hunting and competitive shooting. Test loads note the waterproofed patches on bullets at left. Paul matthews wrote a book on paper patching the 4570 bullet the paper jacket. See our blog for up to date gun rights reports and tell us what you think we describe another method to economically and. I can find plenty of info on bp loads for this rifle but little for smokeless. He also says for the paper he has trouble wrapping them as well, so he used the peel off labels from the stationary store. My first attempt at paper patching 45 70 cast lead bullets and i met with a slight issue. This bullet is shooting really well in my 4570 with either swiss or goex 2 fg. I also wipe my own loaded cartridges with a paper towel before boxing, to prevent dust and dirt from accumulating on the bullet. His loads used either a 350 grain paper patched bullet or the old gould type 330 grain hollow point grease groove bullet.

You can use grease cookies or wads behind the patched bullet, but then you really start cutting into case capacity with the 45 70 and the o. Has anyone paper patched these bullets 200 grains to 230 grains up enough to load in the 45 70. In my opinion, paper patched bullets was a kind of fashion in the early black powder cartridge era, and they were not necessarily better compared to grease grooved bullets. This bullet is shooting really well in my 45 70 with either swiss or goex 2 fg. Dec 12, 2018 paper patch is more accurate but you have to figure out a way to keep fouling soft or else that gain in accuracy is lost after the first or second shot. Bullet size and paper size to add up to the right diameter. I can hold minute of ram at 500 meters and have taken buffalo with paper patched bullets. Working with lubricated bullets is messy in my experience.

If youre a diehard paperpatched bullet shooter, youre undoubtedly familiar with paul matthews. I shot these cast bullets in my sharps copy 1874 45 70. Trap door style loads probably account for more buffalo than any other load back in the day. Paper patched bullet design software is available from corbin, as well as software that calculates multiple density, multipart bullet weights and volumes, calculates bullet air resistance and bc, and helps you determine the bullet diameter for a given rifling depth and paper thickness.